In the past you had mainstream culture, indie culture (which was an ironic position for auteurs), underground culture. I see the future of western culture with no indie culture. You only have industrial culture and a new genre of underground, which has nothing to do with contestation anymore, contestation meaning 'dialog'. There is no dialog possible between these two remaining categories. This future underground is a new word for art. A place where the art is very pure, poor and detached. So if you're not strong enough for art nor commercial oriented, there is no indie rubber ring anymore. Art or industry: you decide. (Be careful: sometimes industry is picking the abandonned indie outfits, wears it and pretends that it's still alive.)